Quote from Skytrill :

A simulation being far from perfect, 2-3 seconds of difference might explain it but not 6 seconds.

Hard to tell, even professional racing drivers some time have huge time differences. Some years ago Jos Verstappen was the cause of rule changes in LMP2 racing class. He was competing with LPM1 class in a LMP2 car! Fix was easy LPM2 cars were required to carry extra weight to slow them down.

Several seconds time difference between professional drivers But temperatures, tyres, track conditions, fuel load can also add to huge time differences.

In lfs most races are done under ideal conditions, no wind and 20c Celsius and no effect from the sun. Add them all up and you end up with 6 second difference. That is not from a fear factor, racing drivers who are scared die or are very slow.

Me and Mike are coming, plane tickets bought!
Will send to Your paypal acc as soon as my tranfer to my paypal goes through, propably Monday then...

Looking forward to see all of You again!

Edit: doh...I didn't have to transfer to me first...paid in full for me and MikeyMike

Edit once more: We will arrive slightly later this year, hopefully before 11PM cause i'm almost alone at work and we can't fly until after that

Last edited by Andreas B, Sat 1 Jun 2013, 09:38.

10th and 24th ok for me.
17th I have the kids so I can't on that weekend.



EDIT: I hope 10th is ok with me. Looks like I'm all alone in my office that week

Last edited by Andreas B, Wed 29 May 2013, 09:41.

Quote from CarlLefrancois :

we could allow servers to specify the tire temps for each car type at the start of a race.

reason: sometimes real life calls and i leave my car parked on track, then come back to find tires at track temp (20 degrees everywhere i presume).

it is quite a bit different to drive using these "cold tires" (ie _real_ cold tires) than with what you usually have at the start of an online race.

server admins could choose to enable this for extra challenge in early laps, and for the gt cars, pre-warmed tires are not a given anyway?



ps did not check if this was already suggested! bad me!:hide:

Good idea but lfs has some problems at the moment:
Real tyres and lfs tyres are very different. LFS tyres turn in to round ice-wheels at 20 degrees. Regular real-life tyres perform well from 10 to 65 degrees celcius and outside this range they don't suddenly loose all grip. LFS tyres range is only 10 degrees and only inner-side-tempature of the tyre determines how much grip the entire tyre has.

Idea has been suggested before, but new tyre physics are required to be able to have drivable cars. After that update, this is a good suggestion though

Quote from selene :

that's... 82158.9418 miles!!!
ffs, he must be racing while sleeping, too )

Anyway, he really deserves the voucher!
Well done, mate!

Mwah I think there are many drivers with more miles driven.
I have 268968km (167164 miles) driven. I don't think i make it to top 50 regarding to total miles driven since i rarely raced on ovals.

"Who gives a crap if tyres dont milimetrically perform like real life?"
It would be nice to have some quick fixes to the current tyre-modelling until complete reworked tyre-modelling is fixed.

It is seriously frustrating that if inner-side of tyre goes 1 celcius out of optimum temperature grip goes down dramatically. Tyre wear should be much more dependent on temperature of the tyre, grip levels should be much less dependent on temperature. Fixing this would improve handling of the cars a lot. In general, real life tyres are much better and than the ones in lfs and also do not overheat that fast. In fact in real life after driving 20 minutes flat out on standard road tyres on swerving roads(Germany) at 240kph; tyres got only to about 30 to 35 degrees Celsius. According to lfs they should be 180+ degrees Celsius after 20 minutes.

I am already waiting for over three years(!) for this issue's to be addressed. I am hardly doing any driving in lfs anymore. When i start racing again I get frustrated again Bernie Ecclestone requested pirreli to make tyres in season 2013 worse! F1 Tyres started to last entire races. Grip levels really got out of control; Tyres got too much grip without ever overheating resulting in dangerously high corner speeds. Back to lfs, Just looking at the tyres of the bf1 will make them go on fire...

There are other small problems like cars roll more than irl, i can accept that, nothing is perfect and no simulation will ever be perfect, but the tyre-temperature+wear defects are so seriously annoying... If those would be fixed, the worst defects in lfs will be fixed and lfs get usable as even better and greater simulator until the entire reworked physics are released

Quote from seniecka :

Well. CPU is tricky thing. Not easy to just upgrade it since, as one of you guys already stated, you need to upgrade motherboard. So.. Not a cheap excursion.

Check your motherboards compatibility list, phenom II 965/970 should fit into a board which can handle a 925 in 95% of cases. But is the money worth the extra performance? If you are lucky performance increases with 20%.

Upgrading from ddr-2 to ddr-3 memory will require a new system-board.

The GPU needs to be fed with lots of data which needs to be computed by the CPU. That is why Graphics cards have huge bandwidths available to communicate with the cpu. Over 1gbyte/sec (byte not bit) is currently very common for each graphics card in your system

Since lfs is really single threaded, one cpu core going to be very busy. GPU's are used to offload big part of the work load from the cpu, but not everything. The number of cars in view has the biggest impact on FPS in lfs. It doesn't matter whether the cars are in your mirrors or in front of you. And that is exactly what your problem is?

LFS did receive some graphical updates long time ago(three years?), also people are also using higher textures resolutions and number of cars allowed on the grid has been increased a few years ago.

If you really want to be sure a cpu core is the bottleneck you'll need to run monitoring software and check if lfs is often using 25% cpu, assuming your cpu has 4 real cores and hyperthreading is off, you most likely have a cpu bottleneck....

Ancient article about bandwidths:
http://www.tomshardware.com/re ... caling-analysis,1572.html
Please note: newer pci-express types provide a lot more bandwidth per lane!

Quote from majod :

IMHO LFS is very badly optimized. It's running on old Direct X, the graphics are far from advanced/current standard and still while looking at 20+ cars in front of me I'm lucky to get over 40FPS. (alone it's always 60fps with vsync).

I also have HD7850 OC, Q9400 and 6GB ram (Win 7 x64)

Your CPU is also a bit outdated It was introduced Q3 2008, over 4 years ago.
Simple indication how much faster cpu's are 4 years later:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cp ... e2+Quad+Q9400+%40+2.66GHz

it performs similar to phenomII 925/940, not surprising you get the same performance as the topic starter. Sounds really identical

LFS is not multithreaded; your cpu AND memory are not particularly fast. 40FPS on an older system with many cars nearby isn't that bad, it is what you should expect from your system.

For more fps you may need more Mhz on the CPU and faster memory which would require you to upgrade your systemboard, making it not an easy upgrade. Getting a faster(more Mhz) CPU of the same architecture will probably have the most effect for the smallest price. Getting more cpu-cores won't help.

Maybe its just best to turn down the graphics a bit on busy servers?


I always get 99 to 100 fps, because i have limited the framerate to 100. Creating more frames is just a waste of energy which is really an issue with the lousy 6970 msi lighting II card. CPU usage is about 8% to 12%. 5 cores actually doing nothing at all while runnig lfs. Please note, cpu-cores from an 1100T and a phenom 925 are not very different from each other.

WIN7 64bit
amd1100T underclocked at 3.29Ghz, turbo disabled, 4x4 DDR3@1613Mhz CL9, ati 6970@900Mhz (under-clocked msi lighting II).
1920x1200, all graphics settings on maximum possible.

Admin Deutschland2007 send for PQ this at 17:54 on11th November 2012 GT1WS Round 1 Pre-Qualifying


Hi Racers:

Here is the pre-qualifying server information for Round 1:

Server Name: NDR.GT1 World Series PQ

server down???

teamName: eXtrem Racing
class: GT1-Pro
car: FXR
number: 04
drivers:
- {ascona b, Christian Müller, Germany}
- {mikey23, Mike Peters, Germany}
- {mg-na3, Andreas Schwarze, Germany}

ON WAITING LIST - P35 IN PRE-QUALIFYING

Last edited by dekojester, Thu 15 Nov 2012, 05:49. Reason : fixed formatting; applied assigned number; added waiting list flag

Teamskin 04. eXtrem Racing (eX-R) Pro

Tobi Kolb is not listed in Tracker.

Team eXtrem Racing

Quote from Ascona b :

teamName: eXtrem Racing
class: STD
car: XFG
number: 48
drivers:
ascona b, Christian Müller, Germany
mikey23, Mike Peters, Germany
mg-na3, Andreas Schwarze, Germany
mathi24, Matthias Schauer, Germany
ascona 400, Tobi Kolb, Germany

add 5th Driver
ascona 400, Tobi Kolb, Germany

Skin fürs Team 48

eXtrem Racing
XFG

C. Müller
M. Peters
A. Schwarze
M. Schauer

The Swedes are at the airport and ready for take-off :-)

teamName: eXtrem Racing
class: STD
car: XFG
number: 48
drivers:
ascona b, Christian Müller, Germany
mikey23, Mike Peters, Germany
mg-na3, Andreas Schwarze, Germany
mathi24, Matthias Schauer, Germany

Attending:

Andreas B
holtti.jr



paid £120 for us

Last edited by Andreas B, Wed 27 Jun 2012, 20:50.

Quote from col :

It seems clear to me that the act of uploading skins to LFS implicitly give others the right to download and use them as they see fit.
Until LFS includes some sort of DRM, or at least a way of including a copyright licensing notice with each skin, then the idea of skin theft is blatant nonsense. For a skin to remain private, you would have to avoid uploading it.

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

I agree!

Cheat detetcion relative to time won't work. Long time ago i lapped faster than wr on so sprint 1. Since other improved their setups, i am no longer fastest/or i am not good enough
But a system based om times would considered me a cheater.

I do notice some people with rubbish setups and even worse gearing manage to make fantastic times. Some case identical setups appear to be gripping and accelerating better and faster. Some will be really good drivers who are simply better than me and in a rare case it will be a cheater.

Only way to detect this, on server-side needs to to constant check on if physics-defined in game are not violated. Guess, it takes too much cpu-power unless lfs will start using at least 6 threads on server-side. Otherwise i see no way to check 20+ cars on the server-side for cheating.

Ok, thanks, I showed myself as noob once again.
Just didn't changed password in default1.ini...

Thanks for help, it's nice to see you guys will help even to demo licensed player.

theres only one line in it
and its not from my session

EDIT: damn my bad, took it from another folder, but nvm..
I dont have any 'ip-port-err.log here. Just MSS.
MSS here:

Last edited by m.stix.b, Mon 12 Mar 2012, 19:31.

hi there,
I'm trying to make lapper for our server (DELTA TEAM™ Drift Public - we are around for like 3-4months now). But every time when I'm trying to run LFSLapper.exe it just crashes. And since lfs-lapper.org is not working I'm not able to get manual to see, if I'm doing something wrong. Anyone can help me with this problem, please?

PC:
W7 Ultimate x64
Intel Core Duo @2,3ghz, 3gb ram, nVidia ION 256mb shared memory
^if it help